Matthew R. Perry

The Freemasons — Some Concerns

In Freemasonry, Religious Organizations on February 5, 2006 at 5:43 pm

My father was a Freemason for almost 25 years before he felt so convicted about the practices of this brotherhood that he burned his aprons in an impromptu backyard ceremony while I was in college. He had advanced only to the third degree (the Blue Lodge). What prompted his departure? A video on Mormonism.

You see, back in the mid 1980s while I was in high school, our Pastor (Tom Maley) of First Baptist Church of Beverly Hills, FL, showed a video on the cult of Mormonism. It was very informative — even had cartoons in it to illustrate some of their teachings. Pretty cool, if you ask me.

But then I saw something that made my father turn white as a ghost. They depicted some of the secret ceremonies — and those ceremonies that were depicted there were the same ones executed in the Masonic Lodge. My father was mortified because of these secrets seeing the light of day. Soon after, my father left the Lodge not just for Joseph Smith (the founder of the Mormon faith) and his connection with the Freemasons, but also he saw that it just did not jibe with the Christian faith.

How? Here is what I put together from what he and others have said.

The square and compass (given above) was introduced to my father. When I asked him what the G stood for on his ring when I was little, he couldn’t tell me nor anyone else. But later he said it referred to “God.” (Actually, it stands for Geometry — long story.) But when he was introduced to this symbol, the leader said, “Look at this! This is your God!” Are you kidding? That’s idolatry in the worst form!

But they say that by being a good Mason you can attain the “Celestial Grand Lodge.” Folks, that heaven. And you cannot attain heaven by being a good anything! It’s only through Christ. That right there makes me suspect of belonging to this group. It’s a secret organization that many see as a civic organization. But when they introduce an idolatrous symbol and then talk about how to get to heaven (the Grand Lodge) — this smells like a religious order.

How is one saved? Not by belonging to any civic organizations or lodges! Not by doing all sorts of philanthropic work or giving abundantly to charitable organizations! Not by living a good life and taking care of your kids and grandkids.

One is saved not by what one does but what One has already done — His name is Jesus Christ. Take some time to read http://www.twowaystolive.com . I pray that Jesus Christ is your only hope. If you find yourself saying, “I’m a Christian!” but are more interested in your lodges and organizations rather than being with the people of God at church, please do what Paul says and “Examine yourselves — test yourselves to see whether you are in the faith” (see 2 Corinthians 13:5).

Anyone out there with any connection to the Freemasons? Past or present? Relatives? Friends? What think ye?

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  1. Just read your post and need to say that I disagree. Freemasonry is compatible with Christianity, and Isloam, and Judaism. Freemasonry is a means for men of all faiths to come together and communicate in fraternity without the need to hold our faiths over anyone.

    the G does stand for God and has a dual meaning for Geometry, but not as anything to worship. On the contrary, it stands to remind man of the perfectness of God, Geometry being a perfect embodyment of HIS perfection.

    As for mormonism, Joseph Smith was a Freemason, before he founded the LDDS. Many of the elements he incorporated were symbols from Freemasonry, not the other way around.

    Within a lodge there is no pagan worship, nor idolotry, instead the Bible holds a sacred place. many will tell you that Freemasonry is evil, or satanic, or “un-christian”, but they are not correct. Many of those who say this have no first hand knowledge, only hearsay from someone else.

    Your passage of scripture reads: 5: Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? Freemasonry is far from a bunch of reprobates.

    Good luck on your inquery.

  2. Thanks for the response. And just to be clear — a reprobate is not simply someone who comments heinous and immoral acts. Someone who is reprobate is someone who sees another god besides the one Jesus Christ reveals to us. Someone who is outside the faith is someone who is reprobate. So it still follows.

    And thank you for making clear what I did not. Joseph Smith was a Freemason and he did incorporate some of the Masonic rituals into the Mormon rite.

    We must see God’s standard through Jesus Christ alone and none other set up by man.

  3. Matt, truly a gentle response and I appreciate that.

    Each individual mason is responsible for his or her own faith. But a requirement of joining Freemasonry is an acknowledged faith in God (their own faith’s God) and the acceptance of his will. This is a requirement to Freemasonry. One may ask how can this be Godly, in a groups mutual acceptance of men of all faiths, under the requirement of having faith, but it happens.

    Freemasonry is not an inherently religious organization. There are neither altars nor pagan idols. The assumption of getting onto heaven on “Good Works” is misinterpreted, in that as any Christian, Mohammedan, or Jew knows that faith alone cannot get them to God. BUT, Freemasonry gives them a framework by which to do good.

    Lastly, the interpretations of the bible are many and varied, and depending on your point of view it is either a literal (all or nothing) understanding, or more of a frame of reference. From evangelicals, with a literal sense of the bible, they often have a hard time separating out the two. Freemasonry is looked upon as a hedonistic deistic society, which is not the evangelical God view. So there is a distinct differing of opinion. I don’t pretend to know the bible by wrote, but I have read it, several versions (KJV, NIV, etc) and there are deviations between them. Does it make them wrong? No, but it leaves them open to interpretation. To which bible do you hold as “the” bible? And going back to the Greek texts, which do you go back to? The early church had many interpretations of what being a follower of “Christ” was, how can we now, some 2000 years later say this way is right and this way is wrong.

    One thing many people dislike to hear is that Freemasonry has a definite Gnostic flavor to it, but I will let you see what you can find. In sum, my opinion is that Freemasonry is not incompatible to God, or Jesus, and serves to compliment all faiths. It is a means to a sociological end for service and works in a diverse religious community without the pressure of conversion. It is not out to proselytize to anyone.

    I hope that sheds some light on Freemasonry. More than likely it begs more questions than answers.

    Greg
    http://www.freemasoninformation.com

  4. Greg:

    Thank you for your informative response to this. I would be inclined to agree with you if the Masons did not speak of trying to attain the Celestial Grand Lodge (heaven) by being a good mason. With my father and uncle both in the Masons (again, my Uncle attained the 32nd degreehood in the Scottish rite, I believe), they both presented this organization as a non-religious organization. But the attainment of the Celestial Grand Lodge by being a good mason in the ilk of Hiram Abiff makes a clear-cut religious statement. And that right there is what cuts into Christianity.

    You and I may have differing convictions — but my readership is decidedly Christian who have certain questions about issues in the church (thus, Ecclesiologistix).

    As for which Bible I read, I do read from the Greek manuscripts — mainly the Novum Testamentum. The KJV is from the Textus Receptus, which has four surviving manuscripts. The Novum has ove 10,000! All the translations that are out now are just that — translations. They do not differ any doctrine the church holds — they just say the same thing in different ways so people of various readerships can better understand the original.

    For instance, one translation will not say, “Hey, get to heaven by believing what you want!” while another says, “Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, so trust in Him alone for your salvation.” One won’t say, “Jesus is fully God” while another says, “Jesus was just a great man and a great teacher.” All say the same things just in different ways.

    To be clear, I did ask for those with Freemason connections to respond, and I thank you for that. This is a great controversy in the church that we are trying to sort through. Your comments have been very helpful in crystallizing some of our beliefs and convictions while helping us understand your convictions as well.

    Matt

  5. Matt,
    Just to reply to what you posted,

    “But the attainment of the Celestial Grand Lodge by being a good mason in the ilk of Hiram Abif makes a clear-cut religious statement. And that right there is what cuts into Christianity.”

    There is not perception of reaching heaven through Hiram Abif in Freemasonry, and as the bible says works alone will not get you in.

    There is no notion within Freemasonry that Freemasonry, Hiram Abif, or works through Freemasonry will get you there. It is though the individuals faith that they must seek salvation, not through Freemasonry.

    I don’t know how often I can get that point across. Freemasonry does not support the idea of salvation through works. It does not tell members (not worshipers) that good works through Freemasonry is the path to heaven. It builds on the idea that is you do have faith, you are already doing good works, and Freemasonry gives another avenue to do them. Your faith and salvation are between you and your God, not Freemasonry. Masonry has the assumption that with your faith, you exist within salvation (grace). Freemasons are encouraged to worship and participate in church, not shun it.

    I hope that makes the point more clearly. And as an aside, I to am a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Freemason, and even the further degrees act to inculcate God into the members perspective.

    Greg

  6. Thanks for the reply, Greg. Here are some of my specific concerns.

    From the Grand Lodge in South Carolina from their monitor, there is a paragraph that reads:

    It was the single object of all the ancient rites and mysteries practiced in the very bosom of pagan darkness, . . . to teach the immortality of the soul. This is still the great design of the third degree of Masonry. This is the scope and aim of its ritual. . . By its legend and all its ritual, it is implied that we have been redeemed from the death of sin. . . it has been remarked by a learned writer of our Order, that the Master Mason represents a man saved from the grave of iniquity, and raised to the faith of salvation. (The Ahiman Rezon, The Legend of the Third Degree)

    So here is where I wonder: does it not clearly say that it is by this ritual (work?) that Masons have been redeemed from sin? I’d appreciate your help in clearing that up.

    Again, from that same work:

    Then, finally my brethren, let us imitate our Grand Master, Hiram Abiff, in his virtuous conduct, his unfeigned piety to God, and his inflexible fidelity to his trust; that, like him, we may welcome the grim tyrant, Death, and receive him as a kind messenger sent by our Supreme Grand Master, to translate us from this imperfect to that all-perfect, glorious, and celestial Lodge above, where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides.

    This imitation of Hiram Abif seems not simply to imitate his goodness, but through that imitation one can attain perfection and dwell where God dwells. In Christianity, we see that we are to be like Christ in order to attain this (see Romans 8:29-30).

    Again, my audience is evangelical Christians, but I welcome comments from whomever. And your comments are so very welcome. My aim is to see that if being a Christian, one can truly reconcile their biblical doctrines with that which the Lodge teaches. My father could not. Your own literature seems to say no, based upon our paradigm.

    One more quote from the preface of the Kentucky Monitor, 1946.

    All believed in a future life, to be attained by purification and trials; in a state or successive states of reward and punishment; and in a Mediator or Redeemer, by whom the Evil Principle was to be overcome and the Supreme Deity reconciled to His creatures. The belief was general that He was to be born of a virgin and suffer a painful death. The Hindus called him Krishna; the Chinese, Kioun-tse; the Persians, Sosiosch; the Chaldeans, Dhouvanai; the Egyptians, Horus; Plato, Love; the Scandinavians, Balder; the Christians, Jesus; Masons, Hiram. (pages XIV-XV)

    Here again — for Christians, Jesus. For Mason, Hiram? It seems that Hiram is the savior and redeemer of the Masons, according to Masonic Literature. You have the right to believe what you want, Greg. It seems that Hiram is given such high status as to have the power to secure salvation. That is incompatible with Christianity if this is so.

    Do these writings from Masonic Literature truly represent what you believe?

  7. You are correct, it does not “say” you are redeemed, but the resurrection represents “…the single object of all the ancient rites (including Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc…)and mysteries practiced in the very bosom of pagan darkness, . . . to teach the immortality of the soul. This is still the great design of the third degree of Masonry”…

    It’s purpose is to not be of one fixed belief, instead bringing together the common theme from all of the Abrahamic faiths. It makes a parallel to the resurrection of Jesus to that of Hiram.

    Your second quote reads in the first part: …”let us imitate our Grand Master, Hiram Abiff, in his virtuous conduct, his unfeigned piety to God, and his inflexible fidelity to his trust”…His piety to GOD, not to himself, not Solomon, and not some idol, but to God. Mind you this takes place at the construction of Solomon’s temple, so contextually it is before the birth of Jesus. The …”Supreme Grand Master”… referenced here is God (Yahweh) form the Old Testament.

    There are other inferences in the bible for salvation, In various passages, which I’m sure can be interpreted in various ways, but the kernel here is still belief in God (whether the God is the Trinitarian God, or God, the father of Jesus).

    From a literal bible translation, there can be no deviation from it. I know that from my own experience in Pentecostal church. The bible is the absolute rule to the word of God. So this may be a deal breaker for the conversation, but there has been a lot of comparison of Christ to earlier incarnations of faith through virgin birth and crucifixion. In other words, Jesus wasn’t the first to get those distinctions, and by looking at history and other sacred works, there is a “lineage” of sorts that precedes Christianity.

    With that in mind, it derails the notion of Christianity and anything else. the statement I just made is contrary to the Bible. Is it true, can I found it, no, but I can point to writings from before Christianity that share Christian elements.

    Circling back to Freemasonry, Hiram is not the savior. Depending on your faith, you already have one. Christianity, Christ is the Lord and Savior, not Hiram Abif. Any Freemason that takes that translation as literal is very sadly mistaken. However, with each faith comes their own salvation. The parallel here is that all of these figures are part of a lineage, a line of God heads. This is well above the board though for just simply taking the bible for face value. And many argue that is it apocryphal to what the bible says, and it is. But looking beyond the bible, the connections get less fuzzy.

  8. Before I reply (and this may be the end of the conversation), I must say I appreciate your gentle spirit in responding to my inquiries. I hope you know that I am simply trying to understand it and, again, see if it does reconcile to our convictions as evangelicals. I have truly enjoyed this.

    You write:

    “From a literal bible translation, there can be no deviation from it. I know that from my own experience in Pentecostal church. The bible is the absolute rule to the word of God. So this may be a deal breaker for the conversation.”

    Since this is my base and framework, it is a dealbreaker. Works that are out such as “The DaVinci Code” have for many (even in the church) shrouded the origin of the Bible and turned it into something other than what the Scriptures claim to be — “The Word of God inspired by the Holy Spirit” (2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:19-21). Some say that there are other origins to the accounts, thus causing one to doubt their authenticity (not saying you do, but some).

    But we as evangelicals (I a Southern Baptist) take the Scriptures literally out of conviction that its claims are unified and true and inspired. So, yes, that does for me make it a deal breaker.

    Another quote:

    “Circling back to Freemasonry, Hiram is not the savior. Depending on your faith, you already have one. Christianity, Christ is the Lord and Savior, not Hiram Abif. Any Freemason that takes that translation as literal is very sadly mistaken.”

    That relieves me … some. All of these philosophies and religions mentioned have their savior attached. That is very, very misleading for, in a logic equation, it looks as if Jesus is to Christianity what Abiff is to the Masons by just following that pattern. That was of concern. I hope that others do not take it literally, but just by the way the paragraph was outlined could be quite misleading.

    One last quote from you:

    “The parallel here is that all of these figures are part of a lineage, a line of God heads. This is well above the board though for just simply taking the bible for face value. And many argue that is it apocryphal to what the bible says, and it is. But looking beyond the bible, the connections get less fuzzy.”

    Here’s where I need help and I want to surely make sure I understand what you are saying. All of those listed in the quote outlining the ‘saviors’ from the Kentucky Monitor are a line of Godheads? I think I know what you are saying, but could you explain that more so I’m clear.

    And here is where we will depart — these beliefs are apocryphal to the Scriptures, yes. That is without argument. But our convictions make it to where we cannot look beyond the Bible. That may seem narrow-minded and even intolerant of other beliefs. This is not meant to be mean-spirited in our beliefs — it is simply a conviction that captures us and will not let go!

    We believe the Scriptures hold all truth because they were given by the One True God of the Scriptures. It is difficult to reconcile holding on and binding ourselves in an oath to this type of organization.

    Granted, there are many Southern Baptists (pastors, even) who are a part of the Masons. But so many of us seem to look to family ties or civic pride first rather than doing homework on what will demand so much of our time and allegiance. Thus, the inquiry. It is not to dog the Masons, but simply to see what you all are about and if it does reconcile to those of us who hold to literal renderings of Scripture.

    Thank you again for your dialogue. I have truly enjoyed this! Maybe our paths will cross again … if not, take care! I wish all of my discussions that are across other worldviews were as civil as this.

  9. Matt,
    I sent you something privately to answer your question above. I wanted to say thank you to you too, for being open and receptive to talking first to form a full opinion. Since I launched my “blog” I have talked to a lot of people, and not many have been as cordial as you, and I appreciate that.

    Literal interpretation is fine, but one needs to approach it delicately. Was the earth created in 7 days, if so, when? Did Noah get EVERY animal on the ark, including the ones with no physical presence on the same continent? Did the languages come from a commandment of God at Babal? A literalist would say yes without even questioning the strength of these elements when compared to what we see in nature, or under scientific examination. Does that mean that the whole thing is untrue? I don’t think so. But I do think that faith in Christ is tolerant enough to allow some examination and questioning. After all, God wants us to have faith in him, not be forced into believing. How do you have faith, you test it. Not by trials necessarily, but though examination.

    The bible is a very important book. The most important text to Christians everywhere. But where did the bible come from? Why in the Greek scrolls are their even minute deviations between them? Where did the ideas that are in them come from? Knowing these things, or better yet, asking these questions helps us not be held by doctrine, but be secure in what we learn.

    Just my feelings on it. How it fits with Freemasonry is that Freemasonry allows the members to ask those questions: who, what, where, why, when, and so on. It is not fitted with a doctrinal orthodoxy (like Catholicism) that says I must worship this way or else I’m damned. That’s why protestants broke from Catholicism when they did, because they differed from what Catholicism told them. Catholicism was set up to be the “Universal” religion, the orthodoxy to end all orthodoxy. Yet, it’s been shunned as not following Christ. So that tells us that there are other ways out there, other paths to the end.

    I’m going on a tangent here. But here is my last thought. You say that the scriptures “hold all truth because they were given by the One True god of the Scriptures”, but the question would be to whom did he give them to? To imperfect humans, who have had custody of them through time. The bible tells us they were pure and righteous, but they were still men, subject to sin and corruption. the bible unlike the 10 commandments came to us not from a voice from heaven to one man on a mountain, but through the hands of many people over many years. That certainly begs the question of who received them.

    I hope this reaches you well.
    Greg

  10. Matt,

    Glad to hear that others have a concern about Freemasonry. I am also a student at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. I am in my 3rd year (MDiv. program).

    On our Practical Theology Discussions website – (a community of Southern Students – and others who discuss important topics) Mr. Masonic Traveler and his friend – The Widow’s Son have been having a rather heated debate on Freemasonry. The link to that discussion is —- http://joshbuice.blogspot.com/2005/07/freemasonry-in-christianity-is-there.html —-

    The Freemasons way of attack is to suggest that the Holy Bible is simply a book of allegory. Once they drive this point home – anything that may appear alarming in regard to Freemasonry is degraded to allegory and open for suggestion.

    Keep up the good work – and hopefully I will have the opportunity to meet you in the upcoming days.

    God Bless,

    Josh Buice

  11. Greg:

    What I am going to say will be similar to trying to describe how chocolate tastes. You cannot unless you as well have tasted it.

    We are at an impasse. The Scriptures were given to 40 men over a span of 1500 years. Do I trust it? Yes. Why? Because it has been preserved by the Holy Spirit of God and has demonstrated a unity and an authority that has been tested over and over and over in the lives of Christians all over and has been shown trustworthy. We take the Bible on its own terms and have found it faithful.

    The Bible is a spiritual book. “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14-15). In other words, the Scriptures are a spiritual book in that those who have trusted in Christ alone have been granted God’s presence (The Holy Spirit) in their hearts and minds and thus are able best to understand what is being said fully. God actively works in the heart of a Christian to help reconcile their lives to what He has revealed. For some, that is dicey — for us, it is a tested and true conviction.

    Here’s 2 Peter 1:19-21:

    We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
    Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    We take the Bible on its own terms. The Word of God is not made up by men, but God used men to speak through them. For you, to quote you, this may be the dealbreaker. You may not be able to deal with this logic of mine. But this is an ever growing conviction the more I study other spiritual works from other religions. Works, works, works. Always wondering if I’m good enough.

    All the same, my goal here is to see if Christianity and us narrow-minded Bible-believers can reconcile being in the Lodge. It is clear that we cannot from what I’ve read and shared from Masonic literature and from our conversation.

    If you would like to continue corresponding via e-mail, feel free. But for the sake of time and space, I will close the discussion on this blog and move on to other endeavors. We have truly said all there is to say on the matter. Thank you again for your cordiality. It has been refreshing.

    Treasuring Christ and His Word,

    Matt

    The Bible is a historical book. The Bible is not simply a book of principles or an allegory. Otherwise, it would not make so many attempts and efforts to ground things in history. Look at Luke 2 just for one example. Look at how it says where they were, who was emperor at the time, what the issue of the registry was— over and over historical facts are presented (times, places, people). This book is presented as a work grounded in history.

  12. Whos is the editor of the Kentucky Monitor?

  13. Matt,

    Just wanted to let you know that I am a Christian, SBC seminary student, and a freemason.

    I’m sure you’ve done plenty of research between the time you first posted and now so I won’t go into too great detail here.

    I believe the bible is inerrant.
    I believe Christ is the only way to God
    I believe in all the essential doctrines of the Christian faith.

    I also know that freemasonry is not a religion. There is no “god” of freemasonry but one must believe in the existence of a supreme being (monotheism). If there were such a thing as masonic theology it might look like this:

    There is one God
    Creator of heaven and earth
    To whom we must give an account
    In a life after this

    Freemasonry offers no salvific teachings but encourages one to ponder an afterlife. The apron lecture talks about essential purity for entrance into heaven. This is not works based salvation. It merely points to such purity, which I believe is found only in Christ who is my “lamb” covering and lives his sinless life through me. Therefore the apron, to me, is a reminder of that purity (christ’s) which I am to emulate by his grace and help. For me, there is no confusion or contradiction.

  14. Dear Christian and Mason (and to whoever else reads this):

    I would truly appreciate it if you and all else who comment would sign their name (a first name would be sufficient). It will help in establishing a good relationship in the dialogue.

    Now…

    Thank you for your post. I know you have read Masonic Traveler’s posts — he himself a 32nd degree Mason — and that you have read about how my father and uncle were once involved in the masons (for 25 and 50 years respectively). Masonic Traveler grants that the Gnostic roots of the Masons is a turnoff to many orthodox Christians. Yet you seem to come in and translate the rituals into things overtly Christian.

    Just out of curiousity, how did you become a Mason?

  15. Hey, if your so called church is true, why is it based on hating other religions? That is not what Jesus would do. He only teaches love and repentence. Never hate.

    I could be wrong but from what I have read it seems that who ever created this page has the Spirit of contension, witch is of the devil.

    please prove me wrong. This is not an attack on anyone, this is a plea of tolerence and understanding.

    If anyone has a question about the lds faith, feel free to ask a mormon. or post it here and if i see it i will try to answer all of the questions anyone may have.

    Best Reguards Ted Bell

  16. Most interesting — it seems that even though an even-handed, inquiring discussion takes place, we are accused of hate when we see some discrepancies from Scripture.

    This entire post was created to try and understand. By showing someone where they diverge from Holy Scripture, that’s considered hate?

    If in baseball, someone was taking steroids in order to try and play better ball, then someone came up and said, “Hey, those substances will hurt you and destroy you in the end — you need to quit taking them.” What if he responded, “Why don’t you just be tolerant of my beliefs that steroids are OK? Why don’t you try and understand?”

    Jude 3 tells us to contend, to contend earnestly for the faith. And so I shall.

  17. Jesus is Lord.
    He is the truth the way and the life.
    And the point is that you believe what you believe but Matt is just trying to understand what you belive and search the scriptures to find similarities and blaspheming intentions. Just exposure, understanding and truth that’s the purpose of this blog from my perspective

  18. I just want to tell you one thing Masonry is not a religion all we ask is if you believe in one God. Masonry is not design to do nothing but bring Good men in contact with Good men who want to do nothing but good in their community. I have never met a mason that wouldn’t give you their last dollar if they found you to be needy. I am a Royal Arch Free and Accepted Mason and I believe in God and his son Jesus Christ I was saved way before I became a mason and nothing has changed my relationship with my savior in fact I am closer now to Jesus than I was before I became a mason. So you go tell lies but remember at the end of our time here on earth we will all answer to our God and Creator The Master Architect of the Universe for the good and the bad that we all have done.

    • Jerry:

      Anytime any organization makes claims saying that keeping with this particular organization’s rituals makes you ready for the Grand Celestial Lodge (i.e., Heaven) is not only a religion, but one based on one’s own works rather than by grace through faith (that grace which you claim gripped you). Good men doing good works saves no one. Sinners saved by a holy God through Jesus Christ is what saves.

      And besides, you say you are a Christian, but are using Masonic language rather than biblical language. What holds more sway over you? (2 Cor. 13:5)

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